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Deborah Copaken's avatar

If orgo had not been a requirement, I might have become a doctor. I agree with you. Get rid of it and fill the profession with more empaths like you.

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Kevin Gardner's avatar

Biochemistry professor here, who's doing research in biomedicine & teaching MD / PhD / undergrads in the field for awhile. Also dad of a daughter in post-graduate school in health field now too. A couple of thoughts:

* NYT piece and issues it raised left me with a wide range of thoughts & emotions, similar to yours. Would really like to know more behind the scenes about all of this, but genuinely hope that NYU admin is not solely/primarily responding to student feedback w/o broader input.

* I have strong issues with the general idea of weedout courses – it's a shame to see many of the commenters here opted to steer around medicine thanks to the reputation of organic chemistry. That said, I also think there are substantial issues w/the preparations many of our students have received in the sciences & critical skills more broadly = these often get revealed in years 1 & 2 of undergrad.

* While I don't teach orgo, students in my lab & classes need to understand some core principles to understand biochemistry & pharmacology, both of which are central to medicine & surrounding fields. Would love to see orgo taught w/different emphasis and organization accordingly to help prep pre-health students for that path, while also laying a foundation for those who want to continue into basic science and other paths.

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